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California House, Los Angeles Mayor’s Race


Are California politics static? Ha! Just watch this.

Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks during a news conference at Manny’s in San Francisco on August 13, 2021.

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Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom is expected to breeze into his state’s general election en route to likely re-election, having survived a recall election just last year.

How much have politics changed for Newsom — and the nation — during the past 18 years?

This time capsule of a TV interview from 2004 provides a compelling answer.

It features Newsom with then-wife Kimberly Guilfoyle — yes, that Kimberly Guilfoyle — talking about their marriage and political views on Charlie Rose’s interview program.

Yes, that Charlie Rose.

Asked to describe his then-wife’s politics, the decidedly liberal Newsom said of Guilfoyle that “she’s probably a little more conservative than I am” and is “tough, she’s tenacious, but she’s fair, and she has remarkable compassion.”

Guilfoyle, for her part, expressed her admiration for California’s municipal bastion of liberalism — “I love San Francisco,” she said — and made a few comments that might seem out of place for someone who today is a Donald Trump acolyte.

“Discrimination is never all right, under any circumstance,” Guilfoyle declared during the interview.

Most people today likely know Guilfoyle for going full MAGA, speaking at the 2020 Republican National Convention and getting engaged to Donald Trump Jr. — something the couple confirmed in February.

Newsom and Guilfoyle divorced in 2005, with Newsom later acknowledging he had an affair. Newsom later remarried.

The Charlie Rose interview tackles a variety of hot topics from the day, including the death penalty and same-sex marriage. Then-San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris also gets name-dropped more than once during the conversation.

— Dave Levinthal

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